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Looking back at my live reactions to season 5, watching myself bend over backwards to try to justify the frankly strange dynamic between Martin and Jon, how Martin treats Jon in such an uncharacteristic way given his whole development up to season 4, how everyone gets more than a 'blink and you'll miss it' moment of serious sympathy and time to explain themselves, while Jon is left to apologize and be interrupted. Again. And again.

Only to realize from the post show's creators multiple retrospectives that this was just an accidental result of a deviation of plan that gave him an attempt at a sympathetic route while the creators themselves couldn't muster up the sympathy to do it properly, because they were already partially influenced by the previous, abandoned direction of the show.

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They sure picked the last season to try and turn the horror tragedy show into a horror comedy at the expense of the main character u-u

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Ashes you’re right and you should say it. My most recent relisten, I kept thinking about this

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You are so right though, and I had tried to bend over backwards so hard too. It just makes me all the more grateful for fan authors who DO love Jon and treat him with the sympathy he deserves

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I really was unhappily surprised though at how like. EVERYONE at RQ seems to be derisive of Jon and find dunking on him delightful? It was such a dismal combination with the “the world doesn’t care about you” tone of the series, bc then even the levity just rubs salt in the wounds

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It's kind of a strange position to care about a character more than the author does. It's almost tragic in a meta way, like this man's story is a textbook tragedy in canon, and even out of it he doesn't get treated with the kindness he deserved from his creators.

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I still think his last moments in the show were incredibly well written because his last choice is painfully human & I take it as like a final triumph of love and humanity over terror. But I wish the creators had shown him more kindness in s5. And in this instance at least its a very death of the author moment for me. I see the way jonny was characterizing Jon & co in the later seasons and I am saying no <3

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you’re right !! thinking “critically” about your favorite shows is so hard for people (especially if they’re really long time listeners) But I think after the SLOWEST BURN and the PINING in s4, everyone was so desperate for happy(ish) and in love and together jonmartin, and even if that’s not what they got, they are determined to believe that’s what they got. so saying that the relationship is ANYTHING less that perfect is an absolute no, and you have no right to invalidate their perfect ship

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WHICH I might say is kinda invalid? this place is WELL KNOWN for blowing off canon in favor of fanon, so ??? you can criticize the creators of something and still love it, you can think they took poor direction and that’s OKAY!! you don’t hate the show or RQ, and it’s valid to have A criticism of a relationship that was building for two whole seasons, and didn’t completely land!!

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While on the subject of Jon, I was compiling a few examples of times Jon very much expresses his feelings and elaborates on his needs in season 5 before Martin makes fun of him by making him say he feels "Sad. Very sad." but I found so many it just became too long and in a no small amount of them Martin shuts him down pretty early into the conversation.

And then it's Martin who, when Jon asks what Upton House was like, says it was "Nice. Really Nice."

Anons in my inbox, would a person who hates tma season 5 do this? *reblogs thousands of posts, meta and art from that season, posts endless speculations and gushes over favorite moments and statement etc etc*

Forgive me but the tma fanon choice that baffles me the most to this day is deciding Helen is anything but white.

I think that was the most Spiral Moment the tma fandom has, almost convincing me I was wrong with my hc until she was confirmed to have been a Tory before being Distorted

The fact that most of the time travel fix-it fics in the tma tag are unfinished makes me lose hope in any possibility of a fix-it for the podcast through time travel means :(

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Damn it

I don't know why but I kinda lost my patience for the Juno steel part of the podcast. For some reason I only manage to finish the second citadel episodes these days

Yes I might be emotional and petty and overly dramatic and yes I might have become a bit too emotionally attached to honestly a wreck of a fictional not real character but damn if that realization will stop me from blocking that mf live blogger who has way too many horrible takes and spreads their bs about my blorbo way too far and wide because of their frankly underservedly large following, and block anyone who I see reblogging their blasphemy on my feed

Just for my peace of mind you see

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